| Tuesday, September 6, 2011.  Chaos and violence continue, Norah O'Donnell  presses the White House to go on the record about Iraq, politics remains murky  in Iraq, a new cable reveals Blackwater guards didn't really leave Iraq, and  more.   Danny Schechter (ZNet) notes US  President Barack Obama is set to deliver another speech, this one on Thursday  and supposedly focusing on jobs:   Attention, collapsing Economy: you finally have the big man's  attention. Nearly 70 organizations are pressing the President to take strong  action. Please give him a break. He's been busy tending Empire business --  waging GWOT warfare on IraqAfghanistanLibyaYemenPakistanSomalia et. al . .  . Call it the greatest "long war" in American history: an unending  and unbelievably expensive intervention justified as necessary to keep us  safe.   But the Iraq War made no one safe.  Iraqis aren't safe, and we'll get to  that later in the snapshot, but neither is "the west." The former head of  British intelligence, MI5, Eliza Manningham-Buller just said so in a recent  speech.   Eliza Manningham-Buller:  War was declared on a rogue state, an  easier target than an elusive terrorist group based mainly at that stage in the  difficult terrain of the Afghanistan-Pakistan border.  And, in my view, whatever  the merits of putting an end to Saddam Hussein, the war was also a distraction  from the pursuit of al Qaeda. It increased the terror threat by convincing more  people that Osama bin Laden's claim that Islam was under attack was correct. It  provided an arena for the jihad for which he had called so that many of his  supporters including British citizens traveled to Iraq to attack western forces.  It also showed very clearly that foreign and domestic policies are intertwined,  actions overseas have an impact at home and our involvement in Iraq spurred some  young British Muslims to turn to terror.      This is a melancholy season in  Washington, much talk about the decline of America and how our vaunted system  has broken down. I won't quibble. But the most consequential breakdown of our  system is exemplified by waging an unnecessary war and then - history, brace  yourself - the reelection of the incompetents who had done it. Is it possible  that for all the treacly talk about "the fallen" and all our salutes to the  troops, we care so little about them that we casually gave second terms to the  very people who wasted their lives?
 This lack of accountability is not  limited to our ill-conceived military adventures. After all, the financial  system collapsed, but afterward there were no metaphorical hangings. People of  modest means, suckers fooled into thinking a home of their own was a gift of  citizenship, lost it all, but the guys at the top had a couple of bad years and  then got the bonuses they were accustomed to. We are a get-over-it nation,  always moving on.
 Still, Iraq was different. Lives, not homes, were lost -  and the Middle East was thrown up into the air.
       And the Iraq War continues.  Over the weekend,  Aswat al-Iraq quoted from a  statement by Humam Hammoudi, "head of the Iraqi Parliamentary Foreign Relations  Commission," which says of the issue of a US withdrawal: "we are waiting the  PrimeMinister to present a new agreement following the U.S. forces withdrawal  for the training cadres." Al  Mada reports today that Iraqi Gen Anwar Hamad Amin has  released a statement stating that Iraq will need "years" to be able to secure  their own air space and that, post-2011, they will continue to need US air  support.  But the big news happens because of Fox News.   Today, they reported, "The Obama administration has  decided to drop the number of U.S. troops in Iraq at the end of the year down to  3,000, marking a major downgrade in force strength, multiple sources familiar  with the inner workings and decisions on U.S. troop movements in Iraq told Fox  News."  They reported that US Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta had agred to it  and they quoted Panetta denying that any decision had been made.  Some rushed to  slam Fox News.  Why?  Today Norah O'Donnell, CBS News, raised the issue of  Iraq.   Norah O'Donnell:  And can I turn to Afghanistan and ask whether the  President has received a recommendation from Secretary Panetta to reduce the  number of troop levels to about 3,000 by year's end?   Jay Carney: I think you mean Iraq.   Norah O'Donnell: Excuse me, Iraq.  Thank you.  I  misspoke.   Jay Carney:  No.  And the process has -- as you know, we are  operating under a status of forces agreement with the Iraqi government that was  signed by the previous administration to draw down our forces.  We are in  negotiations, consultations with the Iraqi government about what our  relationship with Iraq will look like going forward.  We want a normal,  productive, healthy relationship with Iraq going forward.  We have said in the  past that if the security component of that relationship -- if the Iraqi  government makes a request of us, we will certainly consider it.  That request  has not been made.  No decisions have been made.  And so we are operating as of  now under the existing agreements.      Norah O'Donnell: I understand those negotiations are underway.  But  the question specifically, though, is has Secretary Panetta delivered a  recommendation to the President --   Jay Carney:  No, I think what I -- This is contingent upon what our  relationship looks like with Iraq, and that component of it depends on our  negotiations with the Iraqi government.   Wendell Goler: Will budgetary concerns be a part  of the President's decision about how many troops to leave in  Iraq?   Jay Carney: The President has I think made abundantly clear for a  long time now that he will end and has ended our efforts in Iraq, our combat  efforts, responsibly.  We have been operating on a timetable that has withdrawn  over 100,000 U.S. forces since he took office in a way that has been incredibly  careful and responsible, and has allowed the Iraqis to further build up their  security forces and improve their capacities. And uh, the -- Wh-what our  relationship looks like going forward with Iraq will depend upon our  negotiations with the Iraqi government.   Wendell Goler: And not concerns about how much it  costs?   Jay Carney: I think we live in a world of, uh --  where resources  aren't infinite, and that -- that's the case with every consideration we make.   But the answer is we will uh-uh make decisions based on what is the best for the  United States, best for our national security interests and best for having the  most effective relationship with Iraq going forward.   Norah's with CBS News, Wendell Goler is with Fox News.  The is the most Jay  Carney has spoken of the Iraq War.  A war that has no cease fire.  A war that  has no peace treaty.  A war that is ongoing. A war that the White House should  be asked of regularly.  Today they were forced to address it.  They should.  The  State Dept is forever being asked about Iraq. Why isn't the White House?  Is  Barack not the commander-in-chief?  Was an executive order signed that no one  knows of?   If not, the White House needs to be pressed on what is going on with  Iraq.Victoria Nuland, State Dept spokesperson, is a better speaker than Jay  Carney to begin with.  But part of the reason she's not forever stammering and  uh-uh-ing her way through Iraq issues is because she's regularly forced to  address it. That includes today:     MS. NULAND: On Iraq. Yeah.   QUESTION: The  [Kurd] president, Masoud Barzani, has told the U.S. forces to stay in Iraq, and  warning of a civil war if the American forces withdraw. What can you tell  them?   MS. NULAND: I  think our public position, our private position, hasn't changed, that our plan  is to withdraw by the end of the year. Were the Iraqi Government to come forward  and make a request for some continued security assistance, we would be prepared  to look at it.   QUESTION: Do  you consider this call as a request from an Iraqi leader?   MS. NULAND: Well, we have heard many  different views from individual Iraqi leaders, but they have a government, and  we need to hear a united view from the government.   QUESTION:There was an article, a very lengthy article, by Ayad  Allawi last week  basically calling for that, so that's the head of a major  political Iraqi bloc. Now you have the Kurds calling for that. There are talks  of some sort of behind the scene agreements between the Pentagon and the Iraqi  Ministry of Defense for a rotation. And so, did you know of that?  MS. NULAND: I  mean, it's clear that a lot of Iraqis are thinking about this and talking about  it. But obviously, we couldn't get into a discussion on the basis of informal  comments by individual Iraqis.   QUESTION: I  guess the question is: Is the United States flexible enough to accept such a  request when it happens?   MS. NULAND: Again, you're taking me into  hypotheticals as to when this might happen. Our view hasn't changed, that if  they have something that they would like us to do, we're prepared to look at  it.   QUESTION: Thank you.   MS. NULAND: Please.   QUESTION: Is  there any --   MS. NULAND: Oh, sorry. Still on  Iraq?   QUESTION: Yeah.   MS. NULAND: Yeah.   QUESTION: Is  there any possibility to make a deal with north Iraq regarding the future of the  U.S. presence in Iraq instead of waiting for a request from the Iraqi  Government?   MS. NULAND: I  think we have for many years operated on the basis of a single policy with  regard to a unitary Iraq. I don't see that changing.     As noted earlier, the Iraq War didn't make Iraq safer for Iraqis.  Lara Jakes (AP) reports on the mood of Iraqis  and notes, "Security is a key indicator of Iraq's future -- it drives business  investment, government policy decisions and the psyche of the war-torn nation.  In interviews across Baghdad, Iraqis cited the random daily bombings and  shootings that continue to kill people here. At least under Saddam, they say,  they knew they could avoid being targeted by violence by simply staying quiet."   Reuters notes a Baghdad sticky bombing  left two people injured and a Haditha attack on the military left 8 Iraqi  service members dead with one more injured.     Yesterday Al Rafidayn reported on the  political intrigue in Iraq. A healthy portion of the National Alliance is the  Supreme Islamic Iraqi Council headed by Amar al-Hakim and they are calling for  pressure on Nouri's government to force it to provide basic services. And there  may be an effort to form a majority government -- an effort which would sidestep  Nouri and his political slate (State Of Law). Iraqiya's MP Talal Zaobaie states  that Iraqiya, parts of the National Alliance, the Kurdistan Alliance and Sadr's  bloc can come together to form a majority government which would shut out Nouri.  As the article notes, Nouri began floating a threat that they would shut others  (sometimes defined as Iraqiya) out of the goverment by tossing aside what  currently existed and forming a majority government. Zaobaie insists if such a  move was taken, everyone would be welcome provided they weren't part of the  effort which harmed advancing the ministries (naming heads to the ministries) or  part of the effort interfering with ending corruption. The article notes that  the Sadr bloc has already stated that the government's response to the upcoming  protests will determine whether or not they (the Sadr bloc) will withdraw  confidence from the government. Supposedly this potential alliance would have at  least 180 members (therefore 180 votes) and they would be able to push through a  measure to withdraw confidence in Nouri's government and then establish a new  majority government which, the assertion is, would avoid sectarian strife. 
 
 Al  Mada also picks up the story and mainly adds input from the  Sadr bloc via Jawad al-Jubouri who states that the bloc will suport Nouri or  anyone who pushes for a government that serves its citizens. The newspaper also  notes that State of Law MP Ammar al-Shibli is declaring that this plan  demonstrates that State of Law must move towards forming a majority government.  Dar Addustour's coverage emphasizes  that such a plan would shut out certain "leaders of their lists" (more than just  Nouri) and that this appears to be an effort to punish these leaders for the  failures of government.
 
 That was yesterday.  Today UPI reports that Moqtada al-Sar has  issued a call for "resistance" over the US "temporarily closing" Baghdad  International Airport and Iraq's air space August 30th. Maybe  this 'brave' stand will cover up his latest cave. After much bellowing from his  bloc and Moqtada himself, Reuters reports his big protest  isn't even on, doesn't have a date and that he announced yesterday Nouri  al-Maliki had one "last chance" to work on reforms it was supposed to have  implemented long ago. Reuters reminds, "Earlier this year Sadr had given Maliki  six months to accelerate reforms after protesters took to the streets across the  country demanding more electricity and jobs and better government  services."
 
 Al  Mada also reports on First Lady Moqtada's latest drama and  notes there are conflicting views on the political feasibility of it. State of  Law's Adnan al-Sarraj insists that the government does not currently have the  resources to make the improvements necessary. Readers of the article leave  blistering comments that might surprise the western press still so sure Moqtada  is a beloved and important 'force' within Iraq. The first comment questions  Moqtada's ethics and wants to know exactly what is "your salary? Has the  electricity gone out in your home? Are your children sharing hell with us in  Iraq or have they been scattered outside of Iraq?" The second comment starts  with the premise that he and his bloc are the "scourge" in Iraq and expands from  there. The third comment opens with sarcasm before pointing out that Moqtada  himself is part of the government. He can take comfort that the fourth comment  condemns all in government.  Dar Addustour notes that Moqtada's  statement sent out yesterday is a refusal to topple Nouri's government and that  Baghdad is demanding permits for any protests taking place (this Friday, the  youth activists plan to return to Tahrir Square and protest).
 
 Meanwhile  Al Rafidayn reports the KRG is  stating Nouri is becoming a dictator who disregards political agreements and  they are calling for the withdrawal of the draft oil law his Cabinet announced  they'd devised last week. The KRG states that the draft conflicts with the  Constitution and other laws and they call for it to be withdrawn by the Cabinet  or rejected by the Parliament. That outcry comes as Nouri is set to meet with  the KRG's prime minister. Al  Sabaah notes Barham Salih and Nouri have a previous scheduled  meeting.
   Yesterday W.G. Dunlop (AFP) reports on a recently leaked  State Dept cable which explains that although Blackwater was banned from Iraq in  2010 as a result of the September 16, 2007 slaughter in Baghdad where they shot  at and killed Iraqi civilians, the same security guards/mercenaries/contractors  who had been working for Blackwater just switched over to other firms (such as  DynCorp and Triple Canopy) and continued to work in Iraq. It's not noted in the  cable whether or not the information was shared with the Iraqi government but it  most likely wasn't due to the fact that the position of the US Embassy in  Baghdad was that they needed Triple Canopy to protect their staff. Press TV discussed the latest disclosed cable with  Iraqi Democrats Against Occupation's Sabah Jawad:
 Press TV: Who are the Americans trying to deceive, why  are they using guards who have committed crimes against the people of Iraq?
 
 Jawad: There are two aspects  regarding these Blackwater [operations]. Obviously, the Iraqi government knows  about these people operating in the country despite the fact they have changed  their name from Blackwater to Xe [Services]. They [Iraqi officials] should know  better than allow these people to still operate in Iraq. The second thing it  shows is the total mentality behind the American occupation of Iraq; they have  been killing Iraqi people since 2003, and even before that, since they actually  began to get involved in the affairs of Iraq and after the Iraqi invasion of  Kuwait. It is total disregard for the lives of innocent people in Iraq and we  have many examples that when they (Blackwater employees] are proven to have  committed crimes against the Iraqi people, in fact sometimes they are treat as  heroes. We have reports recently in the United States that a couple of guys who  used to operate in Iraq are planning for local election and even Congress and  they are boating about crimes in Iraq. There is no justice as far as American  occupation of Iraq is concerned. The Americans are not subjected international  or Iraqi or any law for the matter, even the US's laws. These people get away  with murder and they will continue to do so until the Iraqi government does  something about them and we see the back of American occupation in Iraq.
 
 
 Last week, another cable garnered press attention. It  addressed the Ishaqi slaughter of 2006, when US forces handcuffed a family and  then shot each one dead in the head -- including children. As noted Friday, Matt  Schofield reported on it at length in real time. His first report ran March 19,  2006 (Knight Ridder Newspapers, now McClatchy). Saturday Matt Schofield (McClacthy)  reported more on the latest developments:
 
 
 Five years after reporting on what I came to  call the Ishaqi Incident, five years after it had largely been forgotten in this  country, five years after sleepless nights and bouts of despondency began, I  found myself thinking again of five innocent faces, their bodies covered by  blankets in the back of a pickup truck in Baghdad.
 It came back in an  unexpected manner: through WikiLeaks. What happened March 15, 2006, in Ishaqi,  Iraq, was the topic of an unclassified diplomatic cable by Philip Alston that  came to light in the last few days.
 Alston has one of those titles that  won't quit: United Nations special rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary or  arbitrary executions.
 His job is much simpler: When very bad things happen,  he looks into them. Sometimes those things happen in Kenya or the Congo.  Sometimes in Afghanistan or Iraq. Rarely, Americans are involved.
 What  happened in Ishaqi, no matter whom you listen to, was very bad.
 
 PJAK is a rebel Kurdish group engaged in an independence struggle with the  Iranian government. PJAK has set up camp in northern Iraq. David Batty (Guardian) reports that Iranian  military spokesperson Hamid Ahmadi has declared Iran has killed 40 PJAKs and  that PJAK declared a ceasefire but Iran is rejecting it stating they want the  PJAK out of certain (Iraqi) areas. And should that happen? Xinhua  reports that Hamid Ahmadi stated "that after the withdrawal of PJAK,  talks will be held on truce if deemed necessary" -- if PJAK withdraws from Iraqi  areas, the Iranian government may or may not go for a truce, they'll decide  after. Aswat al-Iraq adds that Ali Akbar  Salihy, Foreign Minister of Iran, is due to visit Erbil in the KRG shortly to  meet with Kurdish leaders to discuss "border attacks." In addition, Aswat al-Iraq reports that Massoud  Barzani, President of the KRG, is due to visit Tehran.
 As attacks take  place and Iran's dispatched their military, the Iranian government traffics in  fantasy. Press TV reports, "The state-funded  British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) is seeking to encourage the Party for a  Free Life in Kurdistan (PJAK) terrorist group to continue militant attacks  against Iraq." Back on the planet earth, Aswat al-Iraq reports on the  civilian population effected, "The Kurdish local authorities of Soran Qadha,  Arbil, declared that the Iranian bombings of border villages continued into  today, and covered populated areas in Seedkan, north of Arbil. The shelling  resulted in overall panic in the area, likely related to the death of one woman  and wounding of two civilians in yesterday's bombing."
 
 And a demonstration is planned  for Wednesday in Erbil to protest the attacks on northern Iraq by both the  Iranian military and the Turkish military.
   Turning back to the US.  It's an interview that will have you rolling on  the floor with laughter and it's not a skit from a Christopher Guest film.  The  two are actually serious. The Progressive's Matthew Rothschild and  CODEPINK's Jodi Evans.  But before we get to that.  Elaine's begged me for years to share here my  first meeting with Jodi Evans and never has it been more appropriate.     I know Jerry Brown.  Via his campaigns, I was aware of Jodi who worked on  them.  (I mainly donated to them.)  At some point after he was elected governor,  I finally was face to face with Jodi one day when I arrived for a scheduled  meeting (non-governmental business, but it was scheduled) and he came out of his  office to apologize that he was running late but had I met Jodi (formally I  hadn't) and if I needed anything while I waited, she could get it.  So Jodi and  I said our hellos and I asked for a Tab (this was the seventies).  Jodi stopped  to answer a phone call.  Then she explained just how much pressure she was  under.  And she certainly sounded as if she was.  And this went on for about ten  to fifteen minutes before Jerry was done with his meeting at which point I went  off to speak with Jerry while puzzling over his in-over-her-head assistant.      And all these years later, Jodi, I'm still waiting on that Tab.     Jodi Evans: I said to my son recently who was big in the Obama  campaign, "Maybe it was good that McGovern lost." Because all of us who had come  there with our hearts and souls and the vision of what that campaign stood for  had to then carry it forward ourselves.  And, you know, it -- We didn't get  disappointed by Obama, we-- the kind of -- I've seen a lot of his friends get  depressed and really feel lost.  Instead we got empowered and it really set the  trajectory for our lives.   Matthew Rothschild: I'm speaking with Jodi Evans, the co-founder of  CODEPINK, you're listening to Progressive Radio, I'm Matt Rothschild, the editor  of The Progressive magazine.  Let's talk about Obama a little bit.  My daughter,  like your son, worked for the campaign, though she was just knocking on doors  here in Wisconsin as was my wife for that matter.  They were both very, very  disappointed in what Obama has done as you say your son was. What's your take on  Obama? What happened?   Jodi Evans: I think he's a great, inspiring speaker.  [Giggles.]  I  think it was a perfect storm of a moment.  You know, I was for Obama in the  beginning because he was the anti-war candidate and was actually speaking out  against the war. It wasn't until later that he decided to make Afghanistan the  good war which is when I started to get pretty upset and was able to actually  say to his face twice during the campaign, "There's no such thing as a good  war."     Jodi is highly creative.  As co-founder of CODEPINK, she determined who was  "bird-dogged" and who wasn't.  She made the determination that, for example,  Hillary was to be bird-dogged (stalked) by CODEPINK and she made the  determination that Barack wasn't.  Despite the fact that Barack's voting record  was identical to Hillary's. That had an impact.  As for her being for Barack "in  the beginning because he was the anti-war candidate" -- does she mean the fall  of 2002?   I ask because -- as Elaine and I have both long discussed online -- before  he was elected to the US Senate, right after he started running for that office  in fact, Elaine and I were at a pricey fundraiser for Barack and, during our  face time, we raised the issue of the Iraq War -- our big issue and he was the  alleged peace candidate -- only to have him declare that "we" were already in  Iraq (actually, no, we were in the United States) so it no longer mattered.  It  was similar to statements he'd later make to the New York Times during  the 2004 DNC convention.   So it's a lie when Jodi says he was the anti-war candidate.  He presented  himself as that and groups like CODEPINK encouraged the lie by refusing to note  that if Barack truly was against the Iraq War then voting for continuing it once  he was in the Senate was more disgusting than the hawks who voted for it in  2002.   As for "later" on Afghanistan, I don't know what the hell she's talking  about.  In February 2007, he declared his intent to run for the Democratic  Party's presidential nomination.  June 3, 2007 -- in a televised debate -- he   declared that, "One of the things that I think is critical, as the next  president, is to make absolutely certain that we not only phase out the Iraq but  we also focus on the critical battle that we have in Afghanistan and root out al  Qaeda." Want to go back further?  The October 12, 2004 debate when he ran for  the US senate, "It is an absolutely hopeful sign for the people of Afghanistan.  As I have stated unequivocally, I have always thought that we did the right  thing in Afghanistan.  My only concerns with respect to Afghanistan was that we  diverted our attention from Afghanistan in terms of moving into Iraq [blah,  blah, blah]."  Or how about his August 1, 2007 speech?  CNN's opening sentence in  their report on that speech?  "Sen. Barack Obama says he would shift the war  on terror to Afghanistan and Pakistan in a speech he delivered Wednesday."     So I'm confused as to when Jodi was confused about where Barack stood on  Afghanistan since it was pretty much always clear and it certainly was before  2008 rolled around -- the year Jodi did her part to demonize Hillary while  building up Barack.  I'm confused because I'm not a fan of  let-me-lie-my-way-out-of-the-hell-I-created revisionary tactics.     We watched Monday in full as Barack uh-uh-uhed and spoke in that  robotic manner that allows him to find more unnatural pauses than Estelle  Parsons and Kim Stanley combined. "He's our Method president!" we quickly gasped  while wishing we could have one president this decade capable of normal speech.  If he gets any worse, he'll be Sandy Dennis.
     Back to the interview.   Jodi Evans: I think he's a great, inspiring speaker.  [Giggles.]  I  think it was a perfect storm of a moment.  You know, I was for Obama in the  beginning because he was the anti-war candidate and was actually speaking out  against the war. It wasn't until later that he decided to make Afghanistan the  good war which is when I started to get pretty upset and was able to actually  say to his face twice during the campaign, "There's no such thing as a good  war."     Matthew Rothschild: Well how did he respond?   Jodi Evans: He said, "I was thinking the Civil War."  And I said,  "I really don't think you're that stupid because that was about economics  really." But, you know.  [Laughs] I said, "Shame on you." So, you know, I had  experiences of him when he was a senator. I made a movie called The Ground  Truth which is about the wounded soldiers and took it to his office and  talked to him about it because Veterans Affairs was one of the Committees he was  on.  And he was -- You know, when you're in the office with him, he's  super-inspiring and personal and "I'm going to do this with" and "We're going to  bring these people in" and "We're going to change this." But nothing happened.  So I think I kind of knew the 'nothing happens' out of the story personally.   But I also know what it's like having been inside a governor's office, what  happens when you get power.  And unfortunately, watching it from the outside,  I've never seen a more closed, you know, presidential community. I mean, it's  all really weird.  It's never been this bad. And I don't know why that is, what  they're afraid of.  It seems to be really out of a lot of fear and  --   Matthew Rothschild:  "Closed"?  By that you mean cloistered? All of  one mind set?   Jodi Evans:  Yes. And elite. Super elite given who he is. Even my  friend Van Jones was in the White House for awhile and the stories he would tell  me about how they were told to dress and behave is just not kind or relational.   I think relational is the important thing. And so you think there must be a lot  of fear that creates that.  That's what cause people to be that way.  You see  that in how he is around war and how he is around Wall Street. I think they're  all issues that he really doesn't have a grasp of so he gives that power away to  others. I've been in that situation. Jerry [Brown] did that a bit with me, he'd  be like, "I don't want to deal with that," so he'd give the power away. And so,  unfortunately, he's given the power away to, you know, the wrong [laughing]  people as far as I'm concerned. Or the people that don't represent what he ran  on. His words and actions aren't matching. And they just seem a little lost.   They can run a good campaign but they just don't know how to be president.     Matthew Rothschild: At least at the beginning of his presidency, it  seems to me, that Obama anesthetized the peace movement. Uh, did you have that  same feeling?   Jodi Evans: Well we've had that experience before like in 2006 when  it was the peace movement that actually -- it was the anti-war, you know, push  that got all those new people in and, you know, really changed the tenor of the  election and then they get there and they vote for war. So you know, we've been  there before. But, yes, I think it sucked the air out of anything that any  organization or movement that had a wet blanket thrown on it You kind of get  thrown back and you don't know what to do next and you kind of have to rethink.  I mean, that doesn't happen in CODEPINK, we just kind of go, "Yeah, we're used  to this," and keep going and we're usually all alone in the street for awhile  and people will get back when they get their feet kind of on the ground  again.         |